Mixing lysergamides and tryptamines

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Thinking of taking 100mics of 1p-lsd and like 30-40mg either 4-aco-dmt or 4-ho-mipt. Anyone had any experiences? I’m pretty experienced with both trypts and lsd, have done 90mg 4-ho and 70+mg 4-aco(different occasions). For lsd my most was 500+ (don’t remember if I took 5 or 7 tabs lol) just wondering if anyone’s got any heads ups and what not. Thanks fellow aliens

Those tryptamine doses almost sound absurd to me and I don’t know if you have any tolerance or what not but all I’ll say is don’t underestimate the synergy of a combo

only done this once with 75ug AL-LAD + 33ug ETH-LAD + 10mg 4-ho-met + 10mg 4-ho-mipt

thinking heavily impaired is the only thing i can say about this

Why do you feel like mixing stuff? Isn’t a single psychedelic molecule experience novel enough every single time?

Did you reach a stage where you think “this is getting boring, gotta try mixing some shit now to reach the next level”?

PS: curiosity killed the cat….. ‘s ego 🙂

Sometimes I’ll take 2 hits of acid or 1P and then after 1-2 hours (even up to 6 hours in, it still works, but for a shorter time) add 20-30 mgs of 4-AcO-DMT. The combination of the two produces something that seems visually impossible to me. It is literally jaw dropping, like, I stand there with my eyes and mouth wide open and just keep saying “oh my god, oh my god” while I look around. I am in complete shock whenever I do this- it’s indescribable. It can also be very intense and confusing, so please be careful. I don’t remember whether I’ve had some tolerance when I’ve done this in the past.

One time I came across a deer, walked up to it, and stared it in the eyes; it hurt me how beautiful it was in its surroundings. Everything was too amazing for me to even know how to feel, it was joyous, sad, grave…no words. I’ve seen plenty of fractals and holographic looking visuals, but the combo makes it completely different. It’s like a sub breakthrough DMT trip for an extended time. When I was standing in the woods (the particular time I’m remembering) I felt like I was communicating with the deer telepathically and that the trees were completely alive and animate too. The clouds were multiplying and racing through the sky and the whole scene was part of some very intense nature-matrix. The world was smashing me over the head with its ways and I wanted to dissolve into it. (I’m no hippy, and I don’t have any very strong metaphysical beliefs, by the way).

Anyway, I like this combo a lot, but it’s a bit dangerous in the sense that it’s unpredictable how confused you might become. I couldn’t give a dose recommendation to anyone about how to do this carefully, but if you get it right it’s awesome. Be safe.

They synergize perfectly… like 150 ug ald-52 and then an hour later 20 mg 4 ho met was my first experience was Lala land perfect

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Rectal vs Oral administration of IPPH (Isopropylphenidate)

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Hi guys!

Recently I was looking for a study aid to help me focus and study, the gold standard as we all know is 2-fma, it’s a pretty great substance but I wanted to try and look for potential alternatives and maybe “healthier” ones.

I found ipph and reading reports it seemed like a good candidate to begin with, I get to the computer buy some bitcoins and get 1g from a well known NL based shop that does discount to bitcoin users.

The drug arrived, fluffy and very white powder, it seemed consistent but I didn’t test it (this is not a great harm reduction advise), I measured 20mg and I took it orally, it took about 30mn to kick in and I definitely felt some stimulation, I felt an improvement in focus but it didn’t lasted long, probably 3-4h and compared to 2-fma it lacked any motivational push which can be both a good and a bad thing.

Side effects where present and at 20mg for me they where more obvious than 25mg of 2-fma, this side effects included fidgety behaviour, slight jaw clenching and I also felt a little bit hot.

I got a slight comedown, (worse than 2-fma but still very light) and then I got to bed, the next day, let me tell you, was weird as fucking fuck, I felt kinda dissociated like feeling off from the real world and I also got some depressing thoughts like those I get after a regular dose of mdma with good hydration and all (like not suicide Tuesday but definitely a bad mood that paired with the being off feeling was quite shitty).

I wanted to study so I came up with a new idea, the best and most useful method of administration in this world certificied by us, semi-legal internet drug conoisseur… Rectal adminstration or boofing.

I measured 10mg and I was surprised, my ass didn’t even burned (it was dissolved in 2.5ml of tap water) and I quickly got the effects, at first I got a rush that was a little bit distracting like those of 2-fma that had me walking in the room playing music and stuff, anyways after that rush subsided I found myself in a very calmed stimulation (the kind of stimulation I get from 3-fpm).

Even though oral is supposed to be the cleaner roa with stims I felt like rectal was just better in every way, less side effects, better stimulation, etc.

Shit, I even wake up refreshed the next day and I didn’t feel off or anything.

So basically if you have tried oral roa with IPPH and it didn’t work for you maybe it’s time that you start gently lubing your ass, be careful as 10mg hit me harder than 20mg oral, start with half your oral dose or less 🙂

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I went a little harder than I should have last night and I need an opinion

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Last night i took 2fma, 50mg. I was going to learn some webdev stuff so why not? Work was the next day but i can get in bed before its 11. Anyway i seem to have forgot that stims make me sex possessed and i ended up redosing over probably 130mg of 2fma, i dont even use stims that much. But yeah i jerked off nonstop it was terrible. I got absolutely zero sleep and i have only been able to eat 1 slice of pizza since then, its 11am roght now and ive been at work since 5. So i dosed kratom at work and it helped a lot but im currently falling asleep and struggling to stay awake and focus is tough as hell and my brain seems to be working at 20%,my question is , i have 2fma on me, should i take some ? Will this make me feel like shit and make my heart fucked or what? I have work until 4

Shit dog, you got yourself into this mess. You can get yourself out of it. You focus will not get better. Just tough it out.

You can’t run a car on an empty gas tank no matter how much boost you put through it.

You’re crazy if you’re thinking of taking more. Also wouldnt take any other stims (caffeine included). Wait it out and take some melatonin/5-htp/L-tyrosine when you get back

Ahhhh the old stim fap marathon on 2fma.

I once dosed 2fma for a week to study for a programming exam. I slept 5-6 hours every night. but on friday I didn’t have any benzodiazepines to sleep and was forced to be awake all night. At 6am in the morning I started having extremely distressing auditory hallucinations and eventually visual hallucinations that I couldnt tell the difference from reality. Eventually I fell asleep.

tldr: didnt sleep because of 2fma, ended up with psychosis, dont go down that path.

You could use just a bit but really just a bit and then go straight to fucking bed when you get home from work.

And learn from your mistakes. Most of us have done that mistake more than once or twice so it’s not something to preach about, but still, try to avoid that situation in the future.

Hope it was a good wank marathon at least.

I might have done this once or thrice or a quad… lol. And as always it was until the feeling of impending doom and guilt starts kicking in halfway through knowing whats to come

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Report: MXPr (60 mg intranasal)

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Hey I’m back after a long hiatus. Been trying new and exciting things expect more reports to start comin again, but first here’s one on the hot new dissociative on the market, MXPr

Age: 24

Weight: 135 lbs

Dosage: 60 mg Intranasal

Setting: My apartment

T0:00- Dose administered, a fairly large quantity of powder which is very light and fluffy. It stings a good bit initially but this quickly fades to an aching discomfort. After about 1 minute its really not too bad at all. The chalky powder puffs up and coats my sinuses and throat, it has a familiar acrid odor more reminiscent of tryptamines than arylcyclohexylamines.

T0:04- This comes on fast. I was going to roll a joint and settle in but I am already feeling manic and wobbly and numb at my fingertips. My entire body feels floaty and light and slowly losing my equilibrium. I feel kind of queasy, not the painful aching nausea that comes with psychedelics but a sort of motion sickness queasiness. It’s coming on so quickly that I feel like I need to stop and catch my breath.

T0:10- After the initial rush, it’s building more slowly now, but the sense of dissociation is steadily burgeoning. I begin to feel pressure on my head, like I’m wearing a tight hat. My entire body feels wavy and queasy like an oil slick on the surface of rippling water. It feels like I am being enveloped in gelatinous tentacles that numb my body to its core as they enshrine it. As my familiar sense of familiar being seeps away, the gaps in my perception are filled with a sense of being gooey and fluid. I light up the joint that I managed to roll.

T0:20- This experience feels so floaty and ‘wet’, as though every part of me is flowing like a liquid. There is also a great sense of pressure- I feel like I’m being sucked into myself, the boundaries of my flesh are being pulled inwards or being pressed into the core of my being. The descent into liquid dissociation grows more and more by the moment, distinctly punctuated with the addition of cannabis. A more mature dissociation feels like its creeping in for a grand crescendo, coming in increasingly intense waves.

T0:30- It’s beginning to hit in earnest now. I feel cold while also being unsure of what body parts exactly feel cold or where they even are. It’s a sterile clinical sort of dissociation, touched with an abiotic sense of digitization and the cold calculated efficiency of a computer. Visuals begin to distinctly manifest as a brightening of all colors around me, with lighter tones on objects becoming vivid and saturated. It is like the entire world is glistening and glowing with fluorescent technicolor flashes of light. Everything seems to glow with an iridescent aura. Despite the impersonal coldness there is a distinct sense of presence, as though the drug has established itself as another being sharing my space with me. Not a particularly warm or welcoming being however.

The trip so far has a simultaneously radiant and glistening energy like a burning ember and a sense of stillness and emptiness. I can especially feel this from my sinuses as an unpleasant drip begins to harangue me. The glow and aura around everything I can see grows stronger and stronger, almost becoming blinding. I feel like I have to squint to spare myself from their intensity.

With my eyes closed, the visuals present as blocky and triangular, large swatches of color interlocking and zooming around. I don’t feel like I am in a hole, rather I can open my eyes and snap out of it and move if I need to, temporarily breaking the hold the drug has on me. I can get up and walk around and do things and it feels as though the experience has taken a back seat while I do. Nevertheless, if I sit still and focus, it returns in full force. There is still a sense of pressure, like the energy of the drug is literally clutching my brain, though it seems as though I can loosen its grip through sheer willpower. In the white spaces on my computer screen a flashing iridescent honeycomb pattern begins to weave its way inwards. I sink into my bed as a pattern of concentric levels of dissociative pressure stratify discretely outwards from my brain.

T0:35- This is so bright and colorful! It’s very fun out of pure novelty, though it seems lacking in its own inherent rushing euphoria. I turn my lights off and the darkness becomes dominated by shooting red and blue beams of light, collapsing into static stippling patterns. I feel so energetic and manic, not the sort of “do what you want without consequences” mania that drugs like PCP can impart, but a kind of “You can do so much in so little time” type of mania. Though I don’t particularly want to do anything other than droop and melt and sag and enjoy the flashy visuals and the neon green auras around everything. The experience seems to sit in the background, participating in warping my perceptions when I give it the opportunity to volunteer. It is by no means forceful or uncontrollable, there is no rush or intensity to it. My mental ability also feels dulled and suppressed, I mostly just feel like I am lying here with a blank and empty mind.

T0:40- I’m radiating energy to the point that the borders of my physical being are evaporating and streaming off, swirling and intermixing with my environment. I feel like my existence is stretched over a corner, stretched over the apex of an angle. I feel so cold yet I am at the same time basking in the warmth of a twisting blazing spitfire of vibrant colors. This feels more anesthetic than most dissociatives- I can hardly detect any sensations on the surface of my skin.

0:45- I yank myself up out of it again, I get up and try to walk- my balance highly disturbed, but I am still fairly functional. I lie back down and sink into it again. The intensity seems as though it has begun to level off at a distinct peak. It is loud, flashy, ostentatious, yet gentle and almost impotent. This experience has entirely felt like I am on the precipice of something greater, deeper, and more intense, though the pale has simply not been crossed. There is a glow over the horizon, there is a glow just out of view. I wish I knew how to approach it.

T0:50- Feel a numbing buzzing in my mouth, like it is being vibrated into nothing. Can’t feel my teeth at all, just a tingling where they should be. I feel like I’m in motion even though I’m lying still, a familiar dissociative symptom. Everything I see with my open eyes is tinted a glowing green now, and my head is rising like an inflating helium balloon. On the smooth and mottled surfaces in my vision is an endless field of textures resembling cells, perfectly interlocked. The extremities and apices of my body glow like St. Elmos fire, casting a ghostly light into the night. The night is a monolithic wriggling and writhing darkness that closes in on me, an unctuous medium that threatens to envelop me in the chaos it contains in cryptic infinitum. Blocks and dark shapes lurk ambiguously at the tingling corners of my vision, moving freely in the nearly-indiscernible static that encroaches inwards on my field of view. My feet feel like yarn, I do not know if I could easily stand up anymore. I can still pull myself out of the experience at will though, at least mentally, which seems to also dampen the sensory effects. But I’m enjoying myself and feel no need to do this. Concentric ripples begin to spread and collide and interfere with one another, filling my vision with their gentle distortion. My notes have become noticeably incoherent and typo-ridden at this point, suggesting an increasing mental and physical impairment.

T1:00- It somehow becomes even more. I underestimated this compound, it has metamorphosed from a gentle fleeting sort of experience into a more comprehensive hallucinatory dissociative trip. It feels like a brush that has swept my entire existence across the floor in one big smear. It is cold, it is massive yet rises and floats with an incredible evacuative energy like an explosion of helium. There is such an immense pressure enveloping me, my head feels like it’s shaped like a cylinder, and the prevailing sense of the experience becomes one of hollowness, of a great cold void inside of all things, vacuous and breezy like a gaping icy maw in the endless darkness of space. It is a trip that is dense and massive in its emptiness, like a puddle of tar engulfing me in zero gravity.

The closed eye visuals present like great tendrils swirling in a spiral around me. They vibrate across my body, they carry it through time. I feel like I am a brick arch spanning a river. I feel like I am floating on a boat on a very still pond at night, illuminated by the silvery moon, with a distinct chill in the air. The waves of numbness tingle across my body rhythmically as a dense mental dissociation wraps me in its umbral legs like a great spider, my entire sense of self melting and drooping at every point of contact with its slick chitin. It wraps me up and draws me into the abyssal cavern of the empty sky, illuminated by flashes of fiery crackling green. I am still cold and shivering. All of my cells become alight with freezing green fire, casting my form into the void in an atomized jet. The particles rise ever upwards, coalescing into interlocking triangles, amidst a backdrop of collages pulled from my recent memory, sights I saw in my waking day as I walked around the city, interspersed with imaginary landscapes of pinnacles of twisted black rock against a violet night sky. The images collapse into a dense collection of branching fronds that withdraw and recede into the hollow darkness. I am nothing again before the darkness itself collapses back into explosive and frenetic color and energy.

T1:05- I let myself immerse in the experience. It is nice to have this degree of control. The images are ornate, great green and gold arches woven from swirling immaculate latticework, reminiscent of the shiny exoskeletons of insects. Basking in these images is a blissful paralyzing serenity, one which crawls across the sky in an aurora of blue and violet. The entire experience feels so clean and clear and cogent, despite my heavily dulled mind. I am being tossed about by waves over an immense ocean with my head above water the entire time. It is deep and dark and so comprehensive in its power. It doesn’t carry the crushing force or the sheer momentum and magnitude that other dissociatives can carry, in my ability the willfully pull myself from the experience , it feels neutered on more derived and fundamental levels and it feels almost virtual. It is a dissociative shell around a great emptiness, it is being weightless in the void as you ripple through its boundaries. I can still get up and walk if I want to it turns out. I venture out into the dark hallway outside of my room and the walls are covered in images in blue relief. They appear as great human faces, though totally alien and soulless like statues. Toothy mouths flash in and out of existence in the darkness. I have been noticeably nauseous for the entire experience.

T1:15- It loses momentum and begins to collapse. It feels fleshy and awkward and it begins to wheeze and heave as it trips over itself and tumbles down into oblivion. It fades out, though my extremities and joints still feel particularly numb. Iridescent forms flash in and out of the edges of my vision as the dull visuals that populated everything I saw began to recede.

T1:26- I am just lying completely still. It is very easy to be immobile. The remnants of the trip swirl and dance around me as they fade into the night. Some of the more energetic and manic dissociatives lend a sort of mental acuity on the comedown, but my brain mostly just feels dumb and blank right now. It’s hard to form thoughts or react to things, it just feels totally apathetic and anhedonic.

T1:40- Mostly just feeling the physical impairment now. I am still unsteady on my feet and feeling very numb and wobbly and cold. I am still getting bits of drip too, even though the experience has mostly phased out. Everything still has a slight coronal glow around it, and everything looks slightly lit from below with subtle green light.

T2:00- I feel like I am mostly back to baseline. Still feeling slow and dulled.

T2:40- Definitely entirely back to baseline save for a residual sense of mental dissociation, a slight numbness in my extremities, and a barely discernible loss of equilibrium. These persist to a point of being just barely perceptible until I go to sleep.

T5:00- Go to sleep without issue. Wake up feeling normal.

Conclusion: Short sweet and intense yet hollow. With any new dissociative that appears on the market, there is a temptation to draw comparisons to the dodo bird of dissociatives, the elusive and much revered MXE. I will say they are hardly comparable. MXPr lacks the weight and force of other arylcyclohexylamines, there seems to be no “core” to it. It feels like a dissociative shell over a great hollow nothingness. It is surprisingly lucid despite its intensity at points, and I found myself able to pull myself in and out of the experience at will. It lacks the euphoric rush of other dissociatives, and while manic at times, it is not the fiery mentally stimulating mania that can be found with the others, it’s a light and floaty sort of mania. There isn’t as much mental acuity or enhancement or introspection, but rather in line with that hollow feeling, it feels like it instills a sort of dullness and mental impairment, like my brain has become empty too. The physical effects are strong, with noticeably acute anesthesia and loss of balance, though even these can be suppressed with enough focus. It’s hard to say if I was in a hole state or not due to the degree of control I maintained for the entire experience. Later tests with higher doses (up to 100 mg intranasal) proved more difficult to control but it was still possible. Also of note is that it induced nausea to a degree not usually felt with dissociatives. It is also remarkably pretty and visual compared to other dissociatives, with lots of of vibrant colors adorning everything in my open eyed field of vision. It seems to instill a sort of hallucinatory light, with bright colorful glows and auras around everything. The visuals are fairly detailed and the imagery forms as tendrils and patterns and pareidolia, reminiscent of psychedelics. It has a sort of ‘cyberpunk’ character and it would be a fun drug  character to take at a dark club or festival or show, and it would be super interesting to see how it does in combination with other drugs. Overall, it is a short and at times fairly lucid and clean experience lacking in stimulation or euphoria or weight, but with a good degree of physical dissociation and vibrant and intense colorful, flashy visuals.

You have an incredible grasp of descriptive language that pulls me in and brings back memories of some of my own personal experiences with such vivid detail that I really can feel some of what you describe-a difficult task when you are describing a psychedelic experience. Fucking well done.

The meaningful glimpses into the deeper levels of my psyche I’ve experienced on K, and the dull mental brain fog that it sound like you experienced after this trip lead me to conclude I am not likely to enjoy MXPr that much

Thank you! If it appeals to you it appeals to you, if it doesn’t it doesn’t. Honestly not at the top of my list, but I do want to acquire more to experiment with its interactions. My personal favorites (of what is currently on the market) are 3-MeO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP and 3-HO-PCP. The potency of MXPr isn’t ideal but whatever. It’s a good novel experience to have under your belt

Such a well-written trip report. This is actually the best one I have read on MXPr. Good job! You detailed the experience thoroughly, and this gives a good idea of what this compound must feel like. This reminded me of some Shulgin writings honestly. Well done! I’m even more impatient to receive mine.

Nervewing!? You’re my research chemical hero, bro! Totally forgot about your blog for a while. Last time I looked at it, the list of entries was cryptic nonsense to my brain. LONG time ago! Have a good night, man. Hope the MXPr keeps treating you well and please never stop writing!

I gotya. To be honest, I haven’t tried any research chems but am seriously interested in a dmt like experience because I’ve never done it and I feel like it could help me with my addictive tendencies, amphetamines so that I don’t have to rely on prescription or pay crazy street prices for adds or Vyvanse and a dxm one because it’s the best of stims, k and hallucinogens and because I’m able to enter a deep spiritual place, revisit and build upon previous trips and astral project allowing me to gain some profound knowledge and wisdom. I’ve been a part of the research chem subreddit for quite some time and I think that I have found a reliable vendor but I’m not sure. I know we aren’t aloud to talk about that here so I’m hoping that one day I will day when the time is right, I will find out for sure. If you wouldn’t mind messaging me then perhaps the time is now.???

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Ive never had a problem with weed and psychs, anyone else like this?

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When ever i take tryptamines or lysergimides I always smoke ton of weed (more than i usually do during an average sesh) and just sit there in pure euphoria. Never gave me to much anxiety i couldn’t handle, in fact whenever i think about having a bad trip i just laugh it off since psychs make me laugh so easily.

Any of you guys smoke while tripping and can handle it relatively easily?

If your a regular smoker and aren’t prone to anxiety it’s a great combo, but it’s a super bad idea for inexperienced people because they potentiate each other and people often smoke if they think oh man I want to chill out a bit and boom it kicks it up a notch. It’s not inherently dangerous, but I wouldn’t recommend it to strangers on the net unless I have more details. I also just think your first time with anything should be by it’s self so you can really judge it.

I’ve always smoked when taking Lucy, but this last vacation was overwhelming lol I had been up almost 24 hours, hadn’t eaten, and took a couple dabs right before I peaked. Anxiety out the ass and the most hardcore CEVs I’ve ever had. Definitely not dabbing on my next trip lol

I always smoke more than I normally do. Amd ima. Heavy dab smoker as it is. Psychs always give me bad come up anxiety pot helps mellow it out. I prefer indica when I trip but I’m fine with sativa too. I smoke with any substance I take except for dmt I’ll smoke before smoking the dmt but when in tripping its usally too intense for my to want to try to hit a dab. But I mean 40 minutes later when I start coming down I’ll smoke some more pot

i cannot trip without marijuana honestly but i am lucky if i have went 10 days without getting blazed in total in about 15-16 years so theres that

It kinda ruins it for me, throws off my mental state. I can handle it easily, but I feel somewhat “dumbed down” if I choose to smoke on psychs. I enjoy the way my brain works on psychs and it provides a significant disruption to that flow.

I don’t know if this is just the way I treat cannabis, because personally I only use it at the end of a night or in recovery chill mode during a hangover or something.

Whenever I trip the cognitive effects of smoking weed are unnoticeable, I do it to relax my nerves. So no I’ve never had a problem with it either

Weed and psychedelics could be an amazing combo. When exactly are you smoking? During the peak, come down, come up?

I personally had fantastic times smoking during the peak or the come down, however, during the come up, I have had nothing but poor times. In my experience, weed is best used when you are already into the drug experience, in the beginning, it’s kind of jarring, for me at least.

Another thing someone else mentioned is, inexperienced users of both psychedelics and weed could have a bad time with the combination, so there’s always that to keep in mind.

We nearly always use weed to smooth out the ‘come up’, and to ease the ‘come down’, and my partner’s not even much of a weed smoker, but she definitely finds it helps for her. Not that I’d recommend it to others as I’m very aware that it can cause anxiety in some people (lots of stories…), but it works for us.

I love smoking weed during a trip…

Rolling a joint, during the trip, is a whole different story…lol

I normally have a couple pre-rolled

Yeah I’ve never had a problem. 600 ug and a sativa cart with some friends watching Rick & Morty in a dark room is some of the best fun I’ve ever had

Weed tends to make me anxious on its own, so I’m extremely cautious when mixing it. Once ended up smoking too much on phenibut since I was expecting it to counteract the anxiety, like it successfully did on acid – ended up having a horrying psychotic experience

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What RC disso to begin with ?

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Hi guys,

I’ve been reading about disso for months now, and I still couldn’t make up a decision about which one to try as a first dissociation experience. I know they’re all a bit different and the choice depends on what I want from that experience.

But as a beginner, I can’t even imagine what a « dissociation » feels like, even though I read a lot about it.

Ideally, I want something warm, sedating, psychadelic. Also not to long… any opinion ?

2fdck definately

I will definitely say 2fdck it’s a trippy dissos and fits the bill you are looking for to the T well imo atleast.

I’d say o-pce or 3-ho-pcp over 2F-DCK anyday. Everyone’s different but I went through a whole gram of 2F in one day and got little to no effects. Plus the other two are way better in terms of cost of dosage.

Wow, 2fdck was my first RC disso and it was beautiful and potent at around 60mg I was content.

Thanks, think I’ll go for 3-ho-pcp then. Everybody seems to recommend this buddy or 2fdck. Just a few more questions though about 3-ho-pcp. How long does it last and how long to kick in ? I’m reading 2fdck comes up really quick and doesn’t last too long.. maybe for a first time it may be a better choice ? I’m not a fan of those substances that take hours to kick in. I like how some substances just punch you in the face and then you go for a short wild ride.

Also, what’s the best ROA for 3-ho-pcp ?

I would say 2F-DCK is a safer bet to start with. It doesn’t last too long, its easy to measure out different doses because it doses higher, and doesn’t tend to be too manic or intense. 3-HO-PCP is honestly one I would recommend for people more familiar with the dissociative experience, due to its long duration, really intense dissociation with hallucinatory qualities, very very high potency, and really strong dissociative mania.

2f-dck sounds perfect, but 3 ho pcp also works for what you’re looking for.

Thanks for your answer. What ROA do you suggest for one of these two ? (I read « oral » for 3hopcp, but to be honest, as a exclusively acid-guy so far (blotters) how do you take this orally ? Sorry for being such a noob !)

You could try DXM at 300 mg to get a taste of “dissociation” after that it’s up to you. A lot of people will reccomend 2f-dck, because the potency is so low. It’s a waste of money imo. (unless that’s not a problem for you)

After DXM, my first disso was 3-meo-pcp and I don’t regret it. Way better cost per dose and great effects. Just be careful and do your research.

Thanks for your answer. Any opinion on 3-ho-pcp ? Is 3-meo-pcp any different ?

Fair enough, 2-fdck wasn’t bad at all, but at the same price I could get og ketamine, which, by the way, is not a bad choice for the first disso (short duration, quite forgiving in terms of dosing)

2fdck for sure, its really mild

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N-M-C Curious

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I’ve seen quite a few things about N-Methyl-Cyclazodone in the past few days, but most reports are over a year old. I know the parent compound has found to be dangerous but has anyone actually experienced liver toxic side effects from this particular chemical, not regular Cyclazodone? In my opinion it definitely does seem to be one of the only stimulating RC’s that has a very small margin for bad things to happen, but all studies are done by Joe Shmoe’s. If this chem is a bust is there anything else that would be more a step in the right direction? I’m not looking to be doing borderline meth, I’m interested in something for functionality.

EDIT: I’ve also seen some people take this chemical with supplements that improve liver heath, would this work to counter act negative effects?

We really don’t know. Personally I didnt like cyclazodone or nmc. Too pushy and not fun enough to be worth the liver risk. Isopropylphenidate, 4f-mph or 2-fma would be better choices for functional stims

How is 2-fma? I also just started looking into that as well. But I do consume cannabis concentrates close to everyday and 2-fma seems to react to that in the form of hallucinations, although very minimal. Do you know if there’s any side effects that would considered detrimental in a long run?

Also, why would Cyclazodone be listed as a nootropic if there were a possibility for liver toxicity?

I mostly take cyclazodone (with no liver side effects to date by the way), but i’ve gone through stretches of taking just NMC regularly as well with no noted liver effects. With either substance, I take a fairly large dose… big enough that I prefer not to post it lest somebody copy my stupidity. It also goes without saying that I am a sample size of one. Moreover, when it comes to liver trouble, a person can be fine today and in deep doo doo tomorrow so this all comes with a “yet” attached.

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Your favorite rc dissociative?

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What’s your favorite rc dissociative and why?

3-meo-pcp, I would say by far the most recreational, fun, and just really enjoyable playing video games, watching movies, and listening to music. My favorite thing to do was take 3-meo and play cod bo2 while listening to music it was super euphoric. However, I really loved DCK as well, but I only got to try it a few times and the only other time I ordered it, it was crap quality and wasn’t at all like the first time. I hope it comes back at the end of the year like they’re saying!

3-HO-PCP because of its sedation and calmness. It has a bit of an opioid feel to it.

Idk if im allowed to comment since ive only done 1 but i love 2fdck. Such a great escape from the world, i love snorting 70mg after work and getting beautiful CEV , and the warm fuzzy feeling. Watermelon in easter hay is great to listen to on it, same with black napkins. Planet caravan

MXE>O-pce>/3meopcp/3hopcp/2-fdck

What’s better about o pce? I’ve heard a lot about it and was thinking of trying it but it seems more expensive than the other ones so it’d have to be way better to be worth it

Ive tried most of them and other than MXE, which is now extinct, 3-MeO-PCE is a miraculous substance. I feel like it makes my brain function better if I hit a sweet spot with the dose, it’s so euphoric and has such a pleasant rush, it’s so wonderful to just get lost and float in

O-PCE is hands down my favorite disso. The slighy mania(not unmanageable) gives me the intese motivation I need to get my shit togeather and it cuts off my addictive tendancies. You can smoke it for a bellringer, so if you were into smoking shit for a rush previously it will be pretty easy to give that up given the disso rush will knock your socks off.

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What psychedelic RC for extreme sports like snowboarding?

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Don’t really care about performance enhancements; just looking for what would be most fun.

I’d go with a low dose of 1p. 25-50 ug. Smooth clean energy and euphoria, controllable psychedelia, it’s great.

Yeah, this 100%. Pretty much any lysergamide dosed in the low to mid range would be perfect for snowboarding/skiing.

Maybe an alcoholic beverage or two, or even a low dose of a benzo (1mg Etiz), to offset the weird bodyload and make you less socially awkward, in case some strangers start chatting you up on the lift.

Hide in the woods for a little bit of weed smoking during the peak (or if you have access to vape carts, chief that shit on the lift). Sounds like a beautiful day to me.

I haven’t tried most of the LSD variations available now, but years ago I often found good ol’ LSD-25 to be really nice when skateboarding. It would help me approach tricks from alternate angles in my mind and make me more hyper aware of where I was, spatially speaking.

I’d assume a DOx compound would be pretty fun as they are stimulating and last a long time.

The big concern with DOx compounds is the vaso constriction when combined with the cold temperatures during that season would be you at a greater risk of a quick frost bite if you aren’t properly dressed.

I can’t even imagine how the visuals might get on 2C-B.

While moving around the visuals, although intense and cartoonish, aren’t impairing.

It’s also quite energetic.

Low-normal dose 1p-LSD or DOC (it depends on how you can handle psychedelics, also with people on the chairlift for example) And, if you are comfortable, after the peak in a 20 mins break from snowboarding, try snorting a low dose of ketamine

I’ve only tripped about 10 times while boarding, and most of it was on LSD and aMT, one time I went to a larger mountain with trails I didn’t know since I had only been there once before, and I took 10mg of DOPR and a half gram of methylone together. It was.. erm… intense…

My votes MDA stimulating and visual but not so overwhelming that it would become a safety risk

Or 5mg DOM

Caution with Any DOX drugs they can last a very long time 18+ hours if you take to much

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This should be common sense but this is how I don’t let my benzo use get out of hand: when making solutions with powder, always make a concentration no higher than 0.5mg/mL. Making the concentration any higher drastically makes it easier to consume way more than necessary

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When I dose benzos I will find myself doing mL after mL after mL. If the concentration is 5mg/mL this causes trouble.

I know the extra volume is annoying but trust me it will help with not going crazy with doses.

I know this seems like stupid common sense advice and you should avoid benzos altogether. But if you’re gonna abuse them, make your solutions very diluted. Highly concentrated solutions have sent my tolerance through the roof. Be safe out there y’all ✌️

Edit: I once bought a 12mg/mL etiz solution from a website that has been down for years. This solution destroyed my tolerance. When intoxicated, it’s easy to just fill up a syringe and put it in your mouth. I think I was taking around 36mg etizolam/night when I had this solution. Very bad. Never make the concentration that high unless you’re making candies or something, it’s just stupid

True. There’s not really a reason to have a bottle of 200+mg sitting in your house when you could make smaller batches. Just don’t stick your tongue in the powder because you aren’t satisfied with the solution

I completely agree with you and this was rule #2: NEVER have bulk benzos laying around. Only buy small. Don’t buy them at all. But if you do, buy a small amount of domestic pellets or something that are low dosed.

same reason I sit here fairly buzzed on 8% beer, but I’m not gonna wake up wondering why I tried to message my aunt on facebook asking to fuck

whereas with wine I wake up and frantically comb over random social media posts

on vodka I wake up in my own piss, and a day or 2 later, when my hangover clears, I realize I asked my aunt if she wants to fuck

(hypothetically)

yes and no tho, right?

Like, I can drink vodka from a teaspoon. But if I get drunk enough, I might pour a cup’s worth, or just chug the whole container

a small syringe can turn into thirsty sips pretty easily

That’s a lot of pg. With a 10mg/ml you can easily dose 1mg with a 1ml syringe, perfect for etiz. Of course other benzos/theinos will have different desired concentrations. If someone can’t control the volume of solution they’re eating then stopping rather than diluting the solution is probably the answer.

You could also easily take too much, if you’re not thinking clearly.

Say you just woke up, or you’re in the middle of a panic attack, or trying to kill a delirious stim binge, or trying to mellow a horrific bad trip…

When I made solutions at 0.5 or 1mg per ml I never once thought to myself “gee, consuming all this liquid really is a chore.”

Consuming 1ml of liquid is nothing.

I feel like my health, sanity, and peace of mind are worth a little extra solvent, and I can’t really see a good argument to the contrary…

I’ll pass on consuming 2mL of PG. Taking .3-.5mL is gross enough.

3.3mg/mL is my sweet spot. .2mL for light stimulation preventing sleep and .4mL if I’m still a bit wired before bed.

Been using etizolam to sleep after stims for a year and never used it more than once a week or for any other purpose and never accidentally dosed too much because I write the concentration down and measure with a 1ML syringe

Funny you mentoin 5mg/mL, that’s exactly what I just made up my etizolam at. Then again, that for a very specific sized dosage method, I generally agree with out, you don’t want to black out, but don’t want it to be so weak you have to carry a jug around. Depends on how it’s stored and being taken (orally) too.

I mean many people would just consume more mLs then lol. If they’d consume 5 mLs of a higher Concentration, what’s stopping them Fromm taking 10 mL of a weaker concentration

Personally a better solution I think (This only works if you have a SO you live with, or live with roommates or someone else who is okay with your drug use) give them your stash before experimenting. Weigh or take out what you want to consume for your experiment, and then have the person hold the rest and not give you any more no matter what. Obviously this doesn’t work if you live with parents or alone.

Maybe there are time controlled lock boxes or safes? Like you can set a timer and it can’t be unlocked until that times up? So you just Take your dose out and then lock the rest for 12 or 24 hours. Or however long you think you need to

All these horror stories .. iv never had a problem yea keep the gram in the safe make a solution and spread it on candy … keep candy in safe place. Labeled not Candy The only blackout iv ever had was from ativan after hetring out of the hospital and then always making a big deal out of giving you one so when I had a huge bottle I went to town. Woke up at a party that melted away into a hospital room full hallucination. This is years ago now.

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